Posts by La Capra

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A Divorce Win

by truthsetsonefree in

as some of you may remember i have been embroiled in a divorce for the past year and a half.

i had helped my wife to see the reality of the jws.

but she ran back to it and that complicated things.

In my local jurisdiction in California, that's called a stipulation-order. They are binding whenever the magistrate says they are, regardless of whether they are signed (lots of California case law on that) or entered by the judge. Here, if one party later refuses to sign a stip-ord, the other party can still have the order entered, after a certain period of time. Is there something similar in New York? I hope so, because challenging the psych-eval is an expensive process for everyone. Thank-goodness for the "best interests of the child" standard.

Shoshana

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Birthdays are now a matter of conscience????

by sacrebleu in

i just heard this.

i can't believe it.

does anyone know if this is true?.

La Capra

MY JW mom and my non-JW dad came to dinner in a restaurant for the express purpose of celebrating my birthday. There was cake and singing, and everything. Two weeks later, they accepted an invitation to my husband's surprise birthday party too. I almost feel like creating trouble for my mom, but I won't. Everything is conscience matter. When you do something that is "forbidden," If it bothers your conscience, you confess. If you get caught by someone and it bothers his conscience, then you're sitting in a committee, one way or the other.

Shoshana

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If I am disfellowshipped, will my family get disfellowshipped they...

by LayingLow in

i have some family that would continue to associate with me even if i were disfellowshipped.

it is known by them that i am not truly an apostate (from yhwh and jesus).

i have come to a different conclusion than them after three years of intense activity at the hall.

La Capra

I DA'ed over 20 years ago. Not once has my mom-a die hard dub- shunned me. Some of it may have to do with the fact that my dad is not a JW. We enjoy meals together (in restaurants and at our homes), take trips, she came to my Jewish wedding and didn't bolt during the prayers (it was all prayers), and we even go shopping in her local small town together (where I actively engage all dubs and ex-dubs we run into in conversations including my mom). I suspect she rationalizes it in two ways. First, that her husband requires that her to maintain her familial relationship with me, and two (this is the biggy that overrides any threats elders and others might make) The interactions were necessary to conduct important family business. I do not think the Watchtower has gone out and defined exactly what family business is, but any definition of it would have to be broad enough to include (even by a stretch) just about any type of familial activity you can think of....Shoshana

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Does shoe size correlate to iq?

by John Doe in

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friends

well, does it?

La Capra

I think if you ran tests on students in an elementary school, you might find a direct correlation of the statistics of foot size and intelligence, or so it would appear. I bet Mensa has done some statistic collection on its members. That would not be too hard to track down.

Shoshana

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So...I got duped today!

by lovelylil in

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friends

i am one of those people who always gives money to those who ask me on the street.

the reason is because there was a time when i was a kid that my siblings and i needed to beg on the street for food money because mom and dad were both addicts.. anyway, i was on my way into walmart and a lady stopped me and asked if i could give her a few dollars ($5 to be exact) so that she could pick up a prescription for some medicine.

she explained that she and her kids have been sick with bronchitis and although the kids were better she was not and had run out of money until her check came on the first of the month.. i can also sympethize with having to wait for government checks to buy what you need having grown up on state welfare programs and i reasoned that $5 is nothing for me and my husband because combined we bring in over six figures a year income.

La Capra

There is a part of the Jewish Passover Seder when the angel Elisha sneaks in and takes a big gulp of wine from his designated cup (but no one sees him). The tradition says that he takes the form of a street beggar, and that you never know if the street beggar asking you for spare change or a few bucks is Elisha, so you give. Sometimes I give, but not always. But I give them enough to both buy their fix AND a hot meal. The last time I gave a beggar 20 bucks, he said "No shit man?" (I'm the girl type, so it was amusing). He then said, "I better hurry, they run out of chicken at KFC about now..." And he headed in the direction of the restaurant right away (Actually, he sort of jogged). When I drove past him a few minutes later, he was JUST walking into KFC and waved. So it's right to do it when you can, even if they do spend it on drugs most of the time, they don't always. Shoshana

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fader's wife expresses 1st doubts....

by sweet pea in

talking to a friend (ex-elder) today whose wife was (is) a close friend of mine .

she's still a jdub but won't talk to me now i'm df'd (apparently it hit her very hard when we left) and so she busied herself with ministry and meetings in search of comfort and affirmation of her faith.

this didn't work for her and she came out with an unexpected question... .

La Capra

That's how I ended up being able to leave. The idea that if nothing "out" there was "it," then the WTBTS probably wasn't either. Just because there isn't anything "else" out there doesn't mean that what you are in is something. This argument is probably most effective on those born and raised in the cult, who haven't seen or experienced what else is out there, rather than people who became members after becoming adults. How would they know what else is out there and how people involved are impacted by it? Shoshana

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My Dating horror= You can't have coffee at the mall without a chaperon???

by Witness 007 in

being a pioneer/servant for years, i thought i was very responsible.

when dating a sister whom i later married, i read every publication on courtship the society had.

i then spoke to an elder whom i thought was "resonable" and we agreed as the publications say: "a couple can meet together in a public place, when courting, without a chaperon.

La Capra

In my congregation in the 80s, there was the homeschooled teenaged pioneer daughter of an elder and pioneer, and the homeschooled pioneere teenaged son of a minesterial servant and pioneer who would conspire to stay home from Thursday night meetings. As soon as his parents left, he would hop on his bike and ride the five miles to her house, where they would commit fornication for about an hour, then he'd hop on his bike and ride home. Anyone who would have cared was at the meeting and couldn't catch them. And no one else knew them because they were homeschooled. I heard about it from the boy a few years later. The girl had the book thrown at her, the boy just got private reproof and wasn't allowed to pioneer, for like about a week or something. Shoshana Oh yeah, the point: If two people wanna do it, they will ignore the chaperone rule and sneak off by themselves anyway.

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Well its been a while...disfellowshiping, sex, drugs, and I'm diggin it!

by tsunami_rid3r in

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i checked my last post, that was march 2007.. .

i had plans to go to italy for a dig and i just got fired from my suck ass waiting job, but instead i went to a dig in texas for the summer.

wow was that [edit] cool.

La Capra

Hey, it looks like you got some punctuation, finally. This truly is reason to check in with us. It's pretty rare to be disfellowshipped simply for a bad attitude, particularly when it's a male witness. Your dad must have really pissed them off. Enjoy school, it can't last forever. (BTW, there is no such thing as the "cool geeks." Even in college. Just embrace your geekness and get over it.) Shoshana

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Dub w/soul patch?

by La Capra in

i was at the gym this morning, pouring myself a cup of coffee and i noticed a sweaty man sitting at a table reading what looked like the small version of the maroon deluxe nwt (the one made out of pig leather that were all the rage in the early 90's before the "donation arrangement").

(for anyone who cares, he was in revelation.

) it also appeared that he had a colorful tract or magazine and the daily text book (are those spiral bound now?

La Capra

I was at the gym this morning, pouring myself a cup of coffee and I noticed a sweaty man sitting at a table reading what looked like the small version of the maroon deluxe NWT (the one made out of pig leather that were all the rage in the early 90's before the "donation arrangement"). (For anyone who cares, he was in revelation.) It also appeared that he had a colorful tract or magazine and the daily text book (Are those spiral bound now? It's the only thing I could think of that could be WTBTS-related). At any rate, along with the WTBTS rags, the man was sporting a soul patch? What's become of the Wine Country Witnesses? Shoshana

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Last night we went ahead with our DA letter NOW because. . .

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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i spoke to my niece yesterday back home and she is getting married in april 08 to a non jw, she was baptized at 15 and has faded well.

her mother, my evil oldest sister, has told her that she will not be attending nor is she interested in offering support of any kind and i was furious; my husband and i were both enraged enough to add a lot about their evil shunning practice to our already-written letter, and the hate with which they practice it.

it made the break truly feel completely natural and right, right now, and to quote their evil songbook, now's the time to prove we're true!!!.

La Capra

I can't think of a single "family business" matter that is more important than marriage ceremonies. Marriage is a legal matter that alters family relationships. The parents should be there, on the grounds that it is family business to witness the legal change in their family. My mom was at my wedding (I DAed 20 years ago). She stayed through the whole thing...Jewish ceremony in Hebrew and all!!! Shoshana